How many record breakers are in running order?

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Re: How many record breakers are in running order?

Post by mtskull » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:52 pm

f1steveuk wrote:Most people will tell you, "don't get Holter started on the R Type"!!!!
I know the very first prototype Griffin was actually R41 (the last unit built from memory), but I suspect by the time it went into production, it had little in common with the R, although maybe Mike from his aero' interests knows better?
According to Wikipedia (that unimpeachable source of all knowledge :roll: ), it was R11 that was de-rated and named "Griffon". It seems, however, that this was not developed further and that the later Griffon was an entirely separate design, so there would be even less claim to authenticity in the hypothetical event of one being fitted to "Bluebird"
That said, given the resources and expertise that have gone into re-manufacturing, for example, 1930's Auto-Union V16 Grand Prix engines, then surely it cannot be beyond the wit of man to re-create a reasonably authentic R Type?
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Post by Renegadenemo » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:25 pm

Take a look at what these boys can do. These engines are superb to say the least.

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/topic/projects/engines
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Re: How many record breakers are in running order?

Post by f1steveuk » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:37 pm

mtskull wrote:[ According to Wikipedia
Yes, if you look down at the bottom of that article you'll he got most of if from me anyway, and although it was R11, it was after it was re-built to 1931 spec' from 1929 spec', and was re-numbered to R41. The R is a minefield!!

I know a guy who is building a working R, but it's 1/12th!!!!!!
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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:31 am

I finally made it to Beaulieu yesterday for a look at the big tin car. The guys there were fantastic suffice to say that I got rather a long way into the machine and everything looks to be in first class mechanical order. Oh for the chance to have a couple of weeks bringing her back to life...

Got a look at Malcolm Campbell's 350hp Sunbeam too. It's well on the way to recovery and a beautiful job by the folk who are doing the work on it.
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Re: How many record breakers are in running order?

Post by peugeot143 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:56 pm

Renegadenemo wrote:I finally made it to Beaulieu yesterday for a look at the big tin car. The guys there were fantastic suffice to say that I got rather a long way into the machine and everything looks to be in first class mechanical order. Oh for the chance to have a couple of weeks bringing her back to life...

Got a look at Malcolm Campbell's 350hp Sunbeam too. It's well on the way to recovery and a beautiful job by the folk who are doing the work on it.
Any pics :) ?

It would be great to have both of these cars running again.

Seeing the 350hp Sunbeam run alongside the big Eldridge Fiat and LSR Delage would be fantastic.

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Post by Renegadenemo » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:38 pm

The Sunbeam will certainly work and a few weeks of effort would get CN7 into some semblance of order. I took a few with my phone as I was travelling light.

This is CN7's underside complete with digs, dings and scratches from being offed into a field.
Scratches on Underside.jpg
Below is a shot inside the right-hand body just aft of the front wheel. It's a tank - don't know what for - but interestingly it's made by the same company that made K7's fuel tank.
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And here's something typically Leo. Or typically Campbell / Norris / Villa. Switches hanging off the ends of wires, notice the lightbulb hung off its wires and lapped around with some red sparkie's tape. It was like coming home, seeing all that.
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CN7's very lived in cockpit is absolutely tiny and reeks of oil and inhibitor though neither photograph very well.
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Our steering wheel is in there too.
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There's a rather forlorn and sad looking panel for the air system under a cover on the left-hand side. All gauges read zero.
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And, finally, a glimpse of the 350hp Sunbeam engine...
Sunbeam Engine.jpg
And a huge thanks to the great chaps at Beaulieu for kindly allowing me to crawl around their awesome machines.
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Re: How many record breakers are in running order?

Post by f1steveuk » Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:37 pm

I do hope they didn't call it a Manitou in the 350 HP!!!

I have a sneaky feeling the Oleo Pneumatic struts have been replaced with solid rods on CN7, or at least locked struts, as after all this time, sh would have sagged a bit!
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Re: How many record breakers are in running order?

Post by peugeot143 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:50 pm

Thanks for the pics :)

The 350HP Sunbeam engine looks fantastic.

Are they giving the rest of the car some TLC during the strip down too?

I just wish they would rework the front radiator cowl as I've always thought it is the wrong shape?

I wonder what shade of "Bluebird blue" the 350HP is painted?!

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Post by Renegadenemo » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:01 pm

The sunbeam engine threw a rod through the block and a chunk had to be stitched back in and a new set of rods made. They're a beautiful piece of work. The gearbox is a replacement but other than that it all seems to be original and they're doing a first class job.
We won't be able to help them with BB blue because 1954 is our earliest confirmed version.
Regarding CN7, the oleos have been replaced with solid struts because she was 'beginning to sag'. Nothing a few o-rings, seals and a careful rebuild wouldn't fix though. They have all the parts tucked away. The more I saw the more I decided that it's a crime to keep such a machine in a stuffed and mounted condition. At least that won't happen to K7.
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Re: How many record breakers are in running order?

Post by Dominic Owen » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:43 pm

peugeot143 wrote:I just wish they would rework the front radiator cowl as I've always thought it is the wrong shape?
There were a couple of visible variations when Sir Malcolm ran her, including two different radiator cowls. I suspect you're thinking of the slightly more slender of the two. Due to my not being anything even vaguely resembling an expert on that car and some rather spurious dates on photographs, I've never figured out which was fitted when.
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