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Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:44 am
by mtskull
I agree, it was all a little too obviously stage managed but IMHO you are being a little harsh in some of your criticism of the tank itself.

If JCB "weld, not rivet" then they probably no longer have the facilities do carry out something that isn't relevant to their core business. I'm sure the skills do still exist somewhere to have riveted the hull if a 100% accurate replica had been the aim of the exercise but I wonder how many such firms were falling over themselves to sponsor the project?

As for the choice of engine, even if a runnable Liberty could have been sourced within time & budget, it would still have only been accurate to the time period, not to the MK.IV tank and there would still be the matter of the transmission....

In the end (being very cynical now), this clearly wasn't intended as an in-depth documentary about tanks and WW1; it was all about making a mainstream TV programme within time and budget constraints and about finding ways to push the media brand that is Guy Martin so that people would watch 5 minutes of adverts every quarter hour. It's a shame, I like Guy as a presenter but he really wasn't playing to his strengths this time.

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:56 am
by Mike Bull
I wasn't impressed with the tank either- at every turn they admitted and then tried to quickly justify the non-originality/authenticity of every part and every method used.

I didn't mind the potted history of the tanks origin and first uses, something I didn't really know anything about.

It wasn't Guy's best show, but then it's all just produced around him and they get him to front it- so it's not really his fault. His programmes on the Vulcan and the Spitfire were far superior to this.

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:43 pm
by Richie
Another sticking point was that 99% of the work was completed by JCB and the team of volunteers at the Norfolk tank Museum. Guy turned up and attached one roller then dissapeared.

None of the volunteers got a mention

That boils my juices something crazy.

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:33 pm
by jonwrightk7
I quite like Guy Martin, he is a real character, and there simply aren't enough of them about. I too feel that as good as his TV stuff is, it can give the impression that he is almost single handedly completing the projects.. :?

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:30 am
by Renegadenemo
Must only be me then. I liked the JCB approach and well done to whoever pitched to them to get involved in the first place. May as well laser it out and weld it then add fake rivets with plug welds - why not? It looked right.
Did we insist that our planing wedges were milled by hand by some old-boy in a brown dust coat with half-moon spec's and a half smoked cigarette behind his ear?
Or did we have them cut by a 5-axis CNC machine from a CAD model?
I thought it was good telly and I learned a lot.

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:07 am
by mark-f
I agree with the comments made above. While it was always going to be a pretty loose interpretation of a replica tank, after all it was done using a set of CAD drawings taken from photographs! The blueprints MUST still be available with the IWM or similar. There was also little detail on the build itself & the people who actually did the work. I don't however believe that many people are daft enough to believe that GM does it all himself in his shed in Grimsby :D

It was an entertaining program that raised awareness of WW1 & WW1 Tanks in the mind of a lot of people who probably knew nothing about the subject at all. Any TV program that is viewed by someone who knows a subject well is riddled with inaccuracies & BS. It's just that these usually go un-noticed because the viewer knows nothing about the subject.

I remember a similar debate on a program about farming in WW2. It was getting a slamming by self appointed "experts" who were saying this & that were incorrect, "they knew, because they worked on a farm just like that when they were a nipper". The same people were saying that a similar program made by the same company & introduced by the same people about a Victorian farm was "excellent". They couldn't see that once their experience was taken out of the equation they were just punters watching a TV program that was probably as riddled with inaccuracies as the WW2 example.

Same applies to any other subject. TV is made for a mass audience, not a tiny clique of "experts".

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:45 am
by Mike Bull

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:46 pm
by Richie
Seems the current model is a kit of parts....just 100 more magazine issues and I can start glueing it together.

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:11 am
by Renegadenemo
Oh hell! another pile of broken bits of tank, done one of these already... Here we go again. :D

Re: Richie's Little Tank

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:50 pm
by Richie
Yep...sorry.... a lot less broken on this one, and being a Mk2 it’s more civilised to run / maintain.

This one has its original factory TL numbered engine too.

Might just weld the armour back on though, as I don’t rivet. :D

Tracks are mint but the pins are all snapped due to extreme sub zero temps where it was sat for many years.

Pins are easy enough though. !